tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post5112768682326154212..comments2023-09-25T07:29:56.175-07:00Comments on Brands Plus Music: Participatory Art Is RevolutionaryJohn Lokenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10389687311107553577noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-38178798365482232162010-02-15T09:51:11.752-08:002010-02-15T09:51:11.752-08:00participating in the *end product* is cool.
submit...<i>participating in the *end product* is cool.<br />submitting feedback while the art is being created is cool.<br />i just don't think fans should be -- or even want to -- help write songs. </i><br /><br />Trying to do a group write of a song would be difficult. But there are experiments where people send in different lines as potential lyrics.<br /><br />People are especially trying these crowdsourcing experiments in transmedia storytelling.<br /><br />As I mentioned in my original blog, you can have participation in creating the product or participation once the product is completed. I think it is easier to have some level of quality control if you create the product (i.e., music) first and then let the masses participate in modifying it.<br /><br />But the point of participatory art isn't really to get the best art. It's to get the most people involved with the process.<br /><br />So if fans already can tap into the best music ever recorded, then what do you offer them next? Participatory music is likely to be the next step. <br /><br />Think of all the craft stuff that people do. It's not great art, but people like it because they made it themselves.Suzanne Lainsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483602086100616975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-82695898547622573472010-02-15T09:10:43.567-08:002010-02-15T09:10:43.567-08:00when you say participate, do you mean helping crea...when you say participate, do you mean helping create the songs? distribute? remix? <br /><br />i guess i'm thinking that you mean helping *create* the songs, etc. <br /><br />participating in the *end product* is cool.<br />submitting feedback while the art is being created is cool.<br />i just don't think fans should be -- or even want to -- help write songs. <br /><br />also, you mentioned auto-tune making it easier for people to make songs. true, but one would have to have a good grasp of melody and songwriting to make something even slightly compelling. <br /><br />anyone and their step-mother's pet dog can publish a blog, but how many can publish one like yours that people actually care about and flock to? not many. <br /><br />- @dvdherrondvdherronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02551934186409006622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-753713186860286102010-02-15T08:56:45.674-08:002010-02-15T08:56:45.674-08:00but i'm missing the point of why anyone should...<i>but i'm missing the point of why anyone should feel guilty about not allowing random hands of the world to touch things work on.</i><br /><br />It's not about guilt. It's about engagement. If people have multiple entertainment options to choose from, what will draw them to one musician over another? It could be the opportunity to participate. People like music they can sing along to and to dance to.<br /><br />Go to local music shows and often fun wins out over quality. <br /><br />The idea that the artist will create and the audience will consume is not happening as much as it did in the past. Now the audience wants to create, too.Suzanne Lainsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483602086100616975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-74714809600255869812010-02-14T19:11:57.244-08:002010-02-14T19:11:57.244-08:00I agree that some people are more talented than ot...I agree that some people are more talented than others. There is still music and art that I find very compelling. And often I want to support those artists because I believe they have a special gift.<br /><br />However, musical tools are getting so sophisticated that before long the average person won't have to do much to create something he or she is happy with. <br /><br />Auto-tune, rightly or wrongly, opened up music to people who might have trouble carrying a tune.<br /><br />Looping allows people to create complex sounds by themselves, without needing other musicians or instruments.<br /><br />There will be programs that let average people create "Beatles-like songs." <br /><br />Keep in mind that a lot of what people consume in terms of music isn't all that great. It's not like we're only listening to the best music ever written. <br /><br />So I expect to see a lot more people making music that is at least equal to what they are listening to currently.Suzanne Lainsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483602086100616975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-68909465914247909632010-02-14T15:37:52.915-08:002010-02-14T15:37:52.915-08:00participatory art will make art mediocre.
why wi...participatory art will make art mediocre. <br /><br />why will it be a good thing for everyone to chip in on the creation of something? and i'm not clear on the so-called barriers that are stopping people from making/doing anything. <br /><br />anyone can make a song<br />-take a photo<br />-make a film<br />-make a magazine<br />-yadda<br /><br />and post it up online for the world to see.<br /><br />i love music but have no interest in writing songs. <br /><br />i love films but have no desire to create one. <br /><br />those that DO have the desire to sing/direct/take pictures do so and the internet and technology makes that more than possible.<br /><br />yes, sharing what you make or getting feedback from a community while you make something is a good thing, but i'm missing the point of why anyone should feel guilty about not allowing random hands of the world to touch things work on.<br /><br />would Picasso's paintings be anything if he passed out brushes to random people? probably not. <br /><br />i'm ok with appreciating/buying/admiring things that i have no desire to make. <br /><br />- @dvdherrondvdherronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02551934186409006622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-75563436162005685262010-02-12T20:59:14.034-08:002010-02-12T20:59:14.034-08:00I will check it out. I became interested in the ps...I will check it out. I became interested in the psychology of events about 20 years ago when I got into sports marketing. I looked for research in all sorts of areas: sports, leisure, hedonic consumption, experiential marketing, etc. The best material often came from books about theater. They seemed to give the most thought to what engaged audiences.<br /><br />So whenever I write or think about music or sports, or any form of entertainment for that matter, I often find the most progressive thought to come from the theater communities.Suzanne Lainsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483602086100616975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-3069485453259013132010-02-12T09:49:16.616-08:002010-02-12T09:49:16.616-08:00I feel as if I have struck gold. My specific area ...I feel as if I have struck gold. My specific area is theatre, but my larger focus is on the creation of arts organization in small and rural communities. Over the past year, I have come to believe that the most effective way to make these organizations sustainable is to make them participatory. I wrote a blog post about this a while ago called (Netflix + YouTube) / (time = money), and I'd love to have your feedback: http://lessthan100K.wordpress.com/?s=netflix.Scott Waltershttp://lessthan100k.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-52650553944805525062010-02-09T19:18:42.770-08:002010-02-09T19:18:42.770-08:00Greg, I wrote my last response to you on the run a...Greg, I wrote my last response to you on the run and didn't refer back to this. The blog mentions Alan Brown's five levels of arts participation, including this.<br /><br /><i>Curatorial Arts Participation is the creative act of purposefully selecting, organizing and collecting art to the satisfaction of one’s own artistic sensibility.</i><br /><br />So, yes, others include curation as a form of participation.Suzanne Lainsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483602086100616975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-42003157812624802012010-02-09T15:42:12.298-08:002010-02-09T15:42:12.298-08:00Yes, curation is a form of participation, too. The...Yes, curation is a form of participation, too. The idea that there are a variety of ways to engage others was what I wanted to get at here.<br /><br /><a href="http://brandsplusmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/involving-fans-at-many-levels.html" rel="nofollow">Involving Music Fans at Many Levels</a><br /><br />I don't think the quality of the result is as important as how people feel about being involved at some level.Suzanne Lainsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483602086100616975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-53375860237507055522010-02-09T14:14:59.419-08:002010-02-09T14:14:59.419-08:00Very thought-provoking post, Suzanne. The view fro...Very thought-provoking post, Suzanne. The view from my admittedly self-interested position is that one important way technology enables participation in the process is by encouraging and enabling creative and highly selective sharing, by which I mean artistic curation. Granted, this is not participation in the actual creation, but it is participation in the application of the creative work, which, in some cases, might be an art better understood than by the creator of the work. For example, a song created as one of many by an artist might really find its wings (either qualitatively or commercially) when paired with a perfectly suited scene in a film or, for that matter, even as part of the soundtrack to an evening spent with friends. It may be stretching things to equate this with your excellent example of the church choir as model of participatory art, but as an "expression and deepening of a shared cultural goal", application when passionately considered creates a harmony of its own.Greg Nisbethttp://www.mediazoic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7057268567118204094.post-4299205433146284462010-02-09T13:21:52.985-08:002010-02-09T13:21:52.985-08:00Suzanne,
Another well researched and interesting ...Suzanne,<br /><br />Another well researched and interesting blog post! Nice to hear your thoughts and those writing on the topic of Interactivity v. participation in music creation by Artists v. Fans.<br /><br />The lines between Artist and Fans with blurb even further with new musical instruments that let you express yourself musically through gesture, for example, without (traditional) music training.<br /><br />Artists that allow their fans to use their beats (stems) to remix music will find this interactive fan opportunity will take their music to the next level of creativity and increase the Artist artistic and financial success.<br /><br />The world of music we know today will be a world of difference tomorrow.<br /><br />For the ZOOZbeat Team,<br /><br />DanZOOZbeathttp://www.zoozbeat.comnoreply@blogger.com